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    What do you do when you want to trust your salon, but you can't help but notice some folks there have, ahem, hair issues? Or when you're getting advice that seems to be not tailored to you? Anyone ever been in this situation?

    I've been getting my twa wrangled into gel twists for a while at a nice salon, having removed braids last month. Over this time, I've gotten good service - but also some guidance I feel has been less than on point:

    Situation 1: Growing my hair out from a 'cease, I go in for a consultation to see what can be done with such a short length of hair while I am trying to grow it to braidable length. I am told I hcan try a special gel that will make my hair curl. My hair DOES NOT curl. I am informed that my hair will somehow curl. We undergo the process - guess what? My recently identified cnapp hair does not curl.

    Situation 2: Not really a situation, just an observation. I confide in stylist that I am paranoid of getting "the Sherman Helmsley" hairline should I get braids. She assures me this will no happen. However, I am looking at her hairline and it's suspect - one of those floating numbers where you can't really tell just what's going on. I notice a handful of other workers there also have mysterious hairlines.

    Situation 3: In preparation for a round of comb twists, I recall that I was told last time to wash my hair and blowdry it. So I purchase a blowdryer. After about 10 minutes of gently combing through the hair with the BD, I notice something: My hair looks visibly dry. I touch it - yup, crunchy to the touch. I section off a little bit and spray some Elasta QP conditioner on it then wait a few minute. Sure enough: Hair feels better. My hair was sucked dry by the BD - and now I gotta take that d*mn thing back.

    So what does one do now? Can I trust these folks with my hair when it's clear there isn't necessarily an understanding of my hairs? I like the environment in there - but I'm kind pis*ed that there seems to be some ineptitude *and reaaaaal mad I spent $20 on a blow dryer I will NOT use again*

    FYI - Over the weekend I identified another natty stylist whose salon looks nice in pix (I'm a real stickler for professional looking spaces) but I suspect she may be some sort of religious fanatic lmao. So I'm still weighing my options there...

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    Yup, looks like a case of the generic blues!

    I don't know WHY they do this, but some "stylists" seem to give the same advice to all women, regardless of their hair texture/length. I don't get it!

    If you want to keep your naps healthy you should stay as far away from this "stylist" as possible! She clearly doesn't care about your naps!

    You should DEFINITELY take the time to look for another one that cares as much (if not more) about your hair as you. But I suggest relying on references first. Pictures can be deceiving because obviously they are going to put up the best pics possible.

    HTH! ^_^

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    Quick answer: do your hair yourself. It's cheap and all you really need is the time and patience to try and find what works. I do my hair myself and it's not that hard.

    If that's not an option, try finding a fellow forum member who is close and loves doing hair... or a family member. Whatever works for you.

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    If that's not an option, try finding a fellow forum...

    I agree!

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    hey sis, RED FLAGS!!!! COVER YOUR NAPPS AND RUNNNNN DONT LOOK THE OTHER WAY DONT TRIP DONT COLLECT $200 JUST GO!!!

    you sound like you know what's up already, we don't need to convince ya (but you wanted to share with your np sistas right? ^_^ )

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    ^^^I fourth that motion. I can count on one hand the number of times I have been to a salon since going natural, and they were only for trims - NEVER for styles.

    To me, that's the beauty of natural hair, it can ALWAYS be DIY - or pay a cousin, friend, etc. to throw some twists, braids, knots, etc. in your hair for a coupla bucks. Even a lot of these so-called 'natural' salons charge you 2-3 times what you should be paying for a style anyways.

    It's sad that so many Black stylists don't know natural hair. Sad, but true. This is why I have learned to just stay away from a salon...

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    Situation 3: In preparation for a round of comb twists,...

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh! She told you that? Any lay person would just have told you to wrap a towel around your head lol. Honestly, I think your'e going to get better advice on hair boards.

    IA with others-do your hair yourself!!!

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    either find another salon that gives you more sound advice or try doing your hair yourself.

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    I agree with all the other posts...
    RUN FOREST RUN

    Seriously though, Hair Dressers/Stylists are just like Doctors...they are common people just like us. the only difference is they paid all that money to "learn" what they do to you. but.... you can learn what is good for you.... can't nobody tell you what works for you. so...... you know your hair dont like the Blow Dryer, so take it back, get your money back, buy you some castor oil, some rosemary, a Denman brush and do your own hair... and you rock it for what you are comfortable with.

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    One of the best pieces of advice that I ever got re finding a new salon was to keep an eye out for someone whose hair jumps out at you in terms of how good it looks (and I'm talking about health and a pleasing style here, to avoid confusion) and ask them where they get their hair done. Most people are happy to give a referral if you do it nicely, and appreciate the compliment even if they do their own hair.

    I never book for more than a wash and treatment the first time I go to a new place. If they can't even wash your hair properly (without tugging your head bald or using some liquid Tide shampoo) then that's a really bad sign. If possible go for a consultation first before anyone handles your hair. Armed with your knowledge from forum and asking the right questions should put you right. Treat it as though you are interviewing someone for a job - which you are, the job of your stylist!

    I do my hair myself mostly, but I agree that a nice professionally run salon i.e. appts. on time, refreshments served, skilled staff is a wonderful pampering treat and it's good to know where to go when you have a mind for that experience.

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    Yep DIY!!

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    I do my hair myself mostly, but I agree that...

    YES YES YES. I go to this salon to get my hair trimmed, and I've been going to this hair dresser for four years now. He worked in someone else's salon at first but I'm happy to say two years ago he got his own and omg, the way he treats your hair, and you for that matter. I had an early Saturday appointment, he had bagels, cake tea and coffee for his patrons. And I was only getting a trim that day. I swear, I will never go to anyone else. And he sticks with his appointments, if something must be changed you will be notified asap AND they call you a day in advance to confirm your appt. AND he isn't the outlet for negro shopping network

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    i don't have a stylist.

    i do everything on my own because i'm seaching for that "one".

    well actually now i'm searching for a loctician....but same difference.

    but you are right by waiting and weighing ALL your options. if it don't feel right...don't do it.

    it's that simple I think.

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    Girl,
    You already answered your own question, " it's clear there isn't necessarily an understanding of my hairs". Not to mention you also noticed "suspect hairlines"! Dead give away, if they are not taking care of their own why would you expect them to take care of yours?

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    Well folks, the plot thickens!

    I went in for my appointment today and I got a stylist who has given me red flags that I have ignored before! She's really a sweet girl, but the last time I came for braids, she was late. Then she did braids that didn't really resemble what I wanted, weren't uniform width, and were too thick. I didn't want micro mini - but DAMN I didn't want Poetic Justice either!

    Well today my appt was for 9 a.m.; homegirl had some issue that meant she had to come at noon :Angry: I said aight; came back at noon. She shows up at 12:30. At this point I thought to myself "Save your $$ and just rock out that little experimental puff you came up with and a wig until you can get another appt." But she finally got there so I stayed. My first hint that our comb twists were not going right: The process usually takes several hours. When I tell you she was done in 2.5 hours!!!!!!! <_<

    So fast forward to now. I knew the instant that I saw myself in the mirror (not in the salon, since she never offered me a mirror) that I was screwed. The gel twists are TOO THICK - I look like I should be sitting on Mista's porch spitting in a glass of water and stirring it with my finger. I am NOT happy - but the salon's policy is that once the style is halfway done, you can't ask for a change. I concede I've wasted my $$ ($70) and I feel a new thread coming on... I have set up an appt at another salon for next Thursday and will probably just take these out by Friday if not sooner.

    I still like the concept of a salon, and I have bee checking out another person ... but I am also thinking that perhaps a natural hair course might be in order. I hear what you all are saying - but I have zero natty friends who aren't loc'd. And my family is comprised of permers from waaaaaay back. If I have any chance of doing my own hair, I probably will need some instruction.

    PS I'm 99 percent sure that product currently glistening on my scalp is petroleum based. It accents the gel that actually has my twists hard. I've never had hard twists - and I can't understand where she's ever seen someone with thick comb twists...

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    Learn to do your own hair and you will save alot of time and money.

    I went to a salon for the first time being natural, as soon as I sat down and she pulled out a rat tail to comb my dry hair....I stood up told her that was a no no and ask would she use another comb she tells me she needed to use that comb to get the "kinks" out. I told her that will be alot of combing because you will never get the kinks out. I told her I dont even use a rat tail on wet hair. At that point I did not like the look on her face so I bounced. I then remembered why I hate salons.

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    Well folks, the plot thickens!

    I went in for my appointment today and I got a stylist who has given me red flags that I have ignored before! She's really a sweet girl, but the last time I came for braids, she was late. Then she did braids that didn't really resemble what I wanted, weren't uniform width, and were too thick. I didn't want micro mini - but DAMN I didn't want Poetic Justice either!

    Well today my appt was for 9 a.m.; homegirl had some issue that meant she had to come at noon :Angry: I said aight; came back at noon. She shows up at 12:30. At this point I thought to myself "Save your $$ and just rock out that little experimental puff you came up with and a wig until you can get another appt." But she finally got there so I stayed. My first hint that our comb twists were not going right: The process usually takes several hours. When I tell you she was done in 2.5 hours!!!!!!! <_<

    So fast forward to now. I knew the instant that I saw myself in the mirror (not in the salon, since she never offered me a mirror) that I was screwed. The gel twists are TOO THICK - I look like I should be sitting on Mista's porch spitting in a glass of water and stirring it with my finger. I am NOT happy - but the salon's policy is that once the style is halfway done, you can't ask for a change. I concede I've wasted my $$ ($70) and I feel a new thread coming on... I have set up an appt at another salon for next Thursday and will probably just take these out by Friday if not sooner.

    I still like the concept of a salon, and I have bee checking out another person ... but I am also thinking that perhaps a natural hair course might be in order. I hear what you all are saying - but I have zero natty friends who aren't loc'd. And my family is comprised of permers from waaaaaay back. If I have any chance of doing my own hair, I probably will need some instruction.

    PS I'm 99 percent sure that product currently glistening on my scalp is petroleum based. It accents the gel that actually has my twists hard. I've never had hard twists - and I can't understand where she's ever seen someone with thick comb twists...

    I hope you let the management know in no uncertain terms why you will no longer be frequenting that establishment? This place sounds seriously unprofessional. One wonders why they still have customers. At the risk of generalising, I find that a lot of "black" salons (not necessarily natural hair) treat their customers really badly. And the customers let them get away with it. How many non-black women do you know that would be okay with shifting a hair appointment back 3 hours! How many non-black women think it is normal to spend all morning waiting for your turn in a salon? Everyone's time is precious! The salon that I used to go to before I went natural had an excellent policy - if you were more than 15 minutes late, you lost the appointment and could only come if you were willing to be seen on a "if we can squeeze you in" basis. That way people who disrespected the stylists' time by showing up an hour late didn't inconvenience anyone but themselves. This same salon told me that any reputable stylist will always seek to rectify the situation if a customer is unhappy. But you really don't want these people in your head again.

    If I am not sure I always ask people what they are putting in my hair. I once had someone use a pomade with beeswax that took for ever to wash out, so I learned my lesson. When you get to know your hair you know what it doesn't like, so I ask if products have in beeswax, mineral oil, silicones etc. I don't care if the stylist thinks I am anal, it is my head and I have the right to know. And if they aren't sure what's in what they are using that is a RED FLAG. I have been known to take my own shampoo etc with me if I visit a salon when travelling.

    I sincerely hope the new salon is a lot better. Spending that money to end up with a world of dTeenagersandToddletisfaction really sucks.

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    I currently live in the norfolk area and LOVE doing my own hair!!! I find it ridiculous the things that stylist try to tell you about YOUR hairs..... so I DIY it all day. If you live near norfolk.... I would be happy to help you out.. HTH

    PM me anytim!!!

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    at NSN...no I do not want a bootleg copy of ANYTHING, nor do I want a fake Coach bag...DANG!

    Anyway, back on topic, girl you know you have to be careful about going to these stylist, especially if they don't specialize in natural hair, and even then you still have to be careful. Most of these stylists barely even know what to do with permed hair and thats what they got themselves so it should be no surprise that they don't know what to do with natural hair, since they don't really have experience doing it.

    I suggest you search in the natural hair service forum and try to find a salon near you that got good feedback from another memeber or like other memebers said, do it your-self. When you start doing your hair yourself you learn hair better anyway and its way cheaper, so that way you can spend your money on products (instead of trips to the salon) become a product junkie, so its a win/win!

    And you know you knew better than to try to blow-dry your hair anyway...quit playin!

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    i live in Newport News so PM if u need help

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    I hate to say it this way but...fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on ME. You can't keep going back there! It is NOT working out! Please look around the site some more or do some searches. I don't know anyone with nappy hair really either, but you find those one or two styles you can do on yourself and it'll be ON from there. I do my own hair. I've saved so much money, so much time, and SO many of those WTF looks!

    I KNOW they didn't tell you if you didn't like the style halfway through that they coudln't do anything about it. No ma'am. That's like some motel saying instead of "Forgot something? Call the front desk to get replacement toiletries" saying "if you wish to complain, please do so within the first 30 minutes. If not, you will get no refund" (This really happened to my family one year -- we busted out of there SO fast).

    Girl no.

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    NSN. I remember back in the day we could get everything from lotion to candles, to fake EVERYTHING at the salon.

    But really this is the reason why I haven't been to a beautician in about 15 years and I've only been natural for a year. I just had to break down and learn how to do my own hair because I just had so much mistrust for black hairdressers.

    Even back when I was *erming I didn't trust anybody in there. They seemed to be out to totally ruin anybody's hair that was long and looked healthy. No matter what service you were getting it was NEVA right....burnt scalp, fried ears, scabs, sore head, tight braids that DESTROYED your hairline, smell of *erm still in your hair for days after....not to mention the long *ss wait and jacked hairstyles even on the beauticians themselves!!! <_<

    So it just didnt cross my mind to let anybody touch my head either when I went natural. Did the big chop myself, trim myself, and now I'm trying to learn styles myself too. Sometimes for the sake of your own hair health, your pocketbook, AND YOUR SANITY you just have to put in the time and effort.

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    CambroseM lmao mista. see? you should have listened to your inner nappy going nooooooooooooo! nooooooooo!

    that's just crazy. i'm psycho about my hair, which is why i dont let just anyone do it or even touch it. now i just remembered why.

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    But really this is the reason why I haven't been...

    That sounds right. I also think they take delight in cutting off a lot of your hair. Let's see...they chopped off an inch every 6-8 weeks..Noooo wonder...

    I've heard beauticians admit that would do damaging processes to folks (like 2 chem processes in one day) just cuz they asked for it. I thought hair dressers were supposed to look after huuurr???

    I guess some would say no, just not the ones at Jcpenny!lol
    Let's also not forget that they don't take it seriously when you say you are in PAIN!!!!

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    inch: Oooh don't I know it? Just had a flashback to when my head used to be in blistering agony thanks to that whack crack. My stylist used to be like "Just 10 more minutes, let me know when it's burning real bad" <_<

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    I only go to a stylist now to get my trims and a deep conditioning when I need it. I have learned to do my own hair in various styles but when it comes to twists and braid outs my daughters does them for me and she is still a permie. She reads the board here on how to do certain styles for me and she asks me questions. My point being the person does not have to be a nappy to style your hair, just someone who cares about you and your hair.

    I was once like you paying for someone to do my hair and not getting what I wanted. Then the words of Me sunk in my head and I no longer sit there and not question what someone is doing to my hair. I will stop them in a minute if it does not feel right. I explain to them exactly what I want and make sure they understand me before I allow them to touch my hair.

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    Im a DIY person too. Trust me....before being natural I could not do hair period. I couldnt even f.lat iron or curl my hair.....

    But with lots of patience and tears and stuff I think I got doing my own hair down...

    And another thing that pushed me to learn was the fact that Ive observed that as long as I am doing my own hair, its not breaking off, its not being yanked around by the smallest rat tooth comb they can find.....
    I know whats being put into my hair....etc etc....I say give it a try....browse some fotkis and read a couple of threads in the subforum of this section to learn.....you save $$$$ time and frustration

    good luck

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