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    The blogger seems to be extremely gender policing. Saying that men can't wear their hair in braids because it looks like "like little girls" is just sexist, period.

    The 'professional' argument is offensive, but valid. Black males and females have to deal with that argument while seeking employment.

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    Sorry Charlie I refuse to (attempt) to condense the...

    There are more than two sides? this is confusing.. oh well
    I guess i'll just have to stop being lazy.

    On a side note. Are you from Illinois?

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    Personally I don't find long hair attractive on men unless...

    So if you were interviewing a potential employee you would use your physical attraction as a factor in hiring them?

    Thus you wouldnt mind at all if you were looking for a job and your potential employee used his or her physical attraction to you (based mainly off how you choose to express your self) as a factor in hiring you?

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    Let's keep things real. Enough of this 'preference' nonsense. It all boils down to what white people value, because they're in control of everything and have brainwashed everyone. That's why whenever people talk about what's 'professional' it's the white people definition of the word. White men dressed in suits, white women imitated the white men to have more power for themselves, and everyone else copied. Same with hair. White men wore their hair a certain way, white women wore the female versions ('cuz you know, they still had to be sexually attractive to the men to get anything) and everyone else followed. It's brainwashing, plain and simple. It is what it is. If things changed and suddenly men were expected to wear long hair, and women were expected to have shaved heads, it would be the same thing. Simply saying "Well, it's just preferance" or "It's just the way things are" is just a lazy way of avoiding the real issues, taking no personal responsibility, and should be an insult to any thinking person's intelligence. Just because society has a current trend doesn't make it right.

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    Let's keep things real. Enough of this 'preference' nonsense. It...

    Dont take this the wrong way but.... I love you.

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    Oh, and people need to quit with telling people to just suck it up and conform until they get more established, because I know I WON'T be wearing straight hair or make-up or heels or dresses/skirts or anything sexist like that for years, in the hopes I'll finally get somewhere and be able to be myself. Why should it be different for the guys?

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    It's a Eurocentric world.

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    Let's keep things real. Enough of this 'preference' nonsense. It...

    Speaking as someone who has largely deprogrammed from white cultural influence a long time ago..

    Every society has standards.. sure.. I don't think it is wrong to accept some standards that are also dictated by and established by our oppressors.. Though I think that the best minds to embrace such a notion are those that have first went though their own removal from society to determine best what they will accept or reject of it..

    For instance.. White people established the system of freedom of speech wherein the lay public is allowed and even encouraged to voice their dissent to their leaders.. even if the latter feels disrespected by it.. This is how I was introduced to it.. and how I came to know such freedoms in all of their nuance..

    That type of freedom did not and does not exist in some tribes (communities/nations) in west africa.. I do not choose oppression.. but I like the idea of freedom of speech.. Though I would tweak it a little so that routine offense was buffered by etiquette and ways to voice dissent without aggressive injury to the other party's sensibilities..

    While I may fight with my brethren for the right to wear locs.. I will not fight with my brethren for the right to wear lip plates.. That too is against white society.. and I am biased..

    I am aware of bias.. its origins and the other options and I make a conscientious decision to side with what my sensibilities feel more comfortable with..

    I think this is the best one can do...

    I am not against standards.. and don't think that everything black folk do in the name of self acceptance should be accepted or tolerated simply because they are breaking away from psychological holds..

    In that regard.. I like rigid linear standards for the business arena in certain fields. and I am not partial to locs on men.. with the exception of the pic that was shown in this thread.. hee. hee..

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    So if you were interviewing a potential employee you would...

    I was speaking from a personal POV, not professional. I would think if I was hiring someone, as long as his hair was neat I wouldn't have a problem with it. (I've never hired anyone so I can only speculate.)

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    Let's keep things real. Enough of this 'preference' nonsense. It...

    I completely agree with you.

    And Intellexual, that was a great post.

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    Speaking as someone who has largely deprogrammed from white cultural...

    I don't think freedom of speech can be attributed to one race. I also don't think that these west afrikan "tribes" you speak of are the only sub-saharan afrikans on the planet.

    Lastly in a tribal society there is generally more direct democracy than in larger nations and kingdoms. The kind of Democracy varies greatly amongst said "tribes" but democracy is still present.

    Are you against cultural identity for blacks?

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    Let's keep things real. Enough of this 'preference' nonsense. It...

    Uh, it is preference for me. I was speaking from a personal standpoint, not professional. I have NEVER liked longer hair on men and it has absolutely nothing to do with brainwashing. I just don't find it attractive. Plenty of Caucasian men find it acceptable to wear long hair so it doesn't make sense for AA's to have an issue with it due to white societal standards. I don't think it's about brainwashing regarding a matter of personal taste. Professionally, long hair may be looked down upon due to societal standards/pressures but to me these are two separate issues.

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    Let's keep things real. Enough of this 'preference' nonsense. It...

    I'm beginning to feel that this is our version of Goodwin's argument. Don't like what someone says here? Throw in the "white oppressor"

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    i love how these discussions usually boil down to i have my personal preference and i don't like it vs if you don't like it and don't agree with me then you must have been brainwashed.
    it always interests me how people seem to forget that other people can come to different conclusions to them yet still find the opportunity to be insulting

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    Uh, it is preference for me. I was speaking from...

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    Not saying that you're brainwashed, But the whole purpose of brainwashing is to convince the person that they're not brainwashed. Thus you saying you're not brainwashed does nothing to prove to us that you're not brainwashed. It's like when women say they prefer straighthair. I can't see a single reason for a person to be that insecure of their ownsleves that they would CONCIOUSLY equate beauty with a race other than their owns. Im sure that's been said though.

    Regardless if you think that brainwashing is not present due to some for "logic" then you need to think a little bit deeper.

    I think you might have the assumption that somehow societal standards are based off a combination of two societies meeting up somewhere in the middle. This is not the case at all.

    Your comment seem to have ignored everything her's sought to acknowledge. We live in a eurocentric nation. The ideals of those who "run" the nation and have done so for the past 400+ years will influence just about everything.

    I don't necesarily want to go to deep into the subject, but i think you should re-evaluate.

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    Why not? The crazy thing about society is that people are brainwashed to believe they're not brainwashed.

    It's one thing to say you don't like a particular hairstyle. It's another matter to say a person wearing their hair a certain way is a reflection of character or not even appropriate for work, and just WHO set down those standards for what is and isn't 'work appropriate'? The ones in power.

    That's what people don't seem to get.

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    I don't think freedom of speech can be attributed to...

    *sigh*

    My points were not
    1. Freedom of speech is restricted to one race.
    2. The only tribes in Africa are West African tribes against freedom of speech..
    3.Democracy is only defined by the west..

    Please re-read the section again..

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    Are you against cultural identity for blacks?
    Black Americans? And how are you defining cultural identity?

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    \\Not saying that you're brainwashed, But the whole purpose of...

    No thanks, I'm not re-evaluating my preference or the reasoning for it. Even my white husband is bald lol! I prefer bald men, and society has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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    I'm beginning to feel that this is our version of...

    it always interests me how people seem to forget that...

    I'm saying...

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    *sigh* My points were not1. Freedom of speech is restricted...

    In a tribal society where there are multiple families, each family must represent themselves in the best interest of their families in order to ensure the well-being of there family. Thus this is democracy in a tribal government system. If you're under the impression that a man, and a proud west african one at that, wouldn't do everything he can to ensure his families well-being then im not sure you are very learned on west african values. If you are also under the impression that a tribe is just a bunch of people dictated by a single chief, and that each family doesn't have their say, then i don't think you've seen much of west africa.

    as far as freedom of speech goes, you said that whites established the concept. But that would mean that there was no freedom of speech anywhere in the world at a governmental level before great britian. That may be a mis-conception but it is not the case. I said i dont think that it can be attributed to a single race. Meaning i don't think we have significant evidence to say well one race established this concept and brought it to the rest of the world.

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    Why not? The crazy thing about society is that people...

    My comment had absolutely nothing to do with character, it was strictly on attraction. The OP asked the question, "Braids on men, yay or nay?" I chose nay due to the fact that I find long hair unattractive on men. I didn't say men with long hair look a certain way, never mentioned character, assumptions of character or anything of that nature. I was very clear that it is a personal preference appearance wise.

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    Maybe not YOU specifically, but it's been well established in this thread that many people feel longer hair on a guy is just a No-No for life in general, especially work. Unless it's in locs, which is a distinction that doesn't make sense, because it's still longer hair.

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    No thanks, I'm not re-evaluating my preference or the reasoning...

    Few people can actually say they develop ideals and morals on their own.

    Not saying that you're brainwashed, and i also suppose "re-evaluate" was a bit ambigous.

    I should say reconsider, be more open-minded. I haven't already decided whether or not you are brainwashed. However you don't even consider brainwashing as a factor.
    You just know that you're not brainwashed.

    Almost everyone is like that on certain subjects.

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    I plan on trimming my hair at least a couple...

    If your hair looks like it does in your avatar, I don't think anyone would bat an eye. Trimming it is your call (of course), and people are always more careful when interviewing -- I put in a black rinse once because my reddish brown dye was growing out and I was worried about what people might think. But in your avatar at least, that's plenty 'professional' for academia.

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    In a tribal society where there are multiple families, each...

    You didn't understand my reference in context.. and your post is irrelevant in that regard.. I can only ask that you read that section while trying to understand the point ..

    However, you have a point here:

    as far as freedom of speech goes, you said that...

    I can understand why you would say this.. I meant it expediently.. not academically.. Meaning.. when I spoke of being introduced to it here.. I was acknowledging that this is how I came to know it.. not as a definitive reference to its origins.. and it was a lightweight analogy leading to a point.. At best you can just say that for you, the analogy was something you couldn't get past to understand the context of the post .. and in that regard I could have used a better one..

    Please read my post in context.. Everything I posted was in reference to a point.. Highlight that point and the other examples will make more sense to you..

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    There are more than two sides? this is confusing.. oh...

    Nah. I have roots there though.

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    Maybe not YOU specifically, but it's been well established in this thread that many people feel longer hair on a guy is just a No-No for life in general, especially work. Unless it's in locs, which is a distinction that doesn't make sense, because it's still longer hair.
    Are you equating acknowledging that it can be more difficult for a black man with long hair to get work, to being glad for that difficulty? If so, do you think that it is not harder for a man to get a job with long hair than without? And...do you think that men of all races, in a "Euro-centric" world, would have difficulty getting a job with long hair?

    Just trying to figure out where the lines are drawn.

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    No, I'm not. I'm not glad for any difficulty, especially when it's over something as unimportant as hair.

    But I do think black males tend to be the only males who have a harder time when their hair is any sort of length. Sort of like how non-black females can cut their hair short and it's considered 'chic' and even 'sexy' but when a black female does it, she gets thought of as more masculine, unless her hair is straight.

    My problem is with double standards in general.

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    Few people can actually say they develop ideals and morals...

    I can't think of how I would have been brainwashed to prefer bald headed men. Sorry.

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    i still stick with the idea that it's arrogant and...

    oh yes you have because we know western society loves a bald man. all those hair club for men companies were set up to throw us off the MalePatternBaldanati's true agenda.

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    "I know right messin up my thread! LOL! But hey, your name is "Straightnochaser" and you gave your opinion, well, straight...with no chaser hehe"

    And...this thread has added 14 pages since I last checked in.

    Forward march!

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