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    This is just a friendly reminder, because many of us are heated regarding the use of the Nappertiti graphic, that was created for this site, being used elsewhere on the net.

    What's interesting is that there's a WHOLE lot of artwork, being used as avatars, that should not be used, without the artist's permission. Black artists don't usually make a big deal about it (and I'm not sure why that is), but a lot of the more famous non-black artists don't want you using their artwork without their permission (if at all), and most have terms of use, if they decide to give you permission. It is disrespectful to just take something you found online, and start using it for an avatar, a graphic for your website, etc. You don't have that right.

    So, don't be the pot, calling the kettle black. If you didn't create the art, and you didn't get permission from the artist to use it àƒ¢â‚¬â in anyway, then you should not be using it. I have black art, on both of my blogs, and I got written permission to use the art àƒ¢â‚¬â from the artists, out of respect and appreciation.

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    I just want to point out that there is a difference in what was done with Nappertiti, it was used for commerical advertisement purposes.

    There is a thing called fair use and public domain. Sometimes taking an image is not always illegal.

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    There is a thing called fair use and public domain....

    That's not what I'm talking about. Also, the problem is "assuming" artwork comes under the "fair use/public domain" umbrella, just because you found it on the internet. Unless you know for sure, then you don't really know.

    The Nappertiti graphic wasn't created by the person who's using it, nor did they get permission to use it. The fact that it was used for commercial purposes is an additional consideration/violation, but any use of the graphic, without permission (and unless dee places it in the realm of "public domain"), is wrong. That's my point.

    A good site for reference:

    10 Myths About Copyright

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    Well, I just wanted to put it out there that you can't always assume it's illegal to do either. The law is still being developed and debated on these issues involving internet usage. Sorry, it's the attorney in me

    Anywho, I'm not taking down the Eastern Star artwork that I have as screensaver on my computer. I don't have other people's artwork on my personal pages.

    ETA: If you are gonna preach about this, might as well tell people to stop posting pics on the site as well without permission.

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    Anywho, I'm not taking down the Eastern Star artwork that...

    It's not preaching. It's a reminder to respect the creative works of others.

    Peace!

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    Any published work created before 1923 is currently and forever in the public domain.

    Any published work created between 1923 - 1977 without a copyright notice is currently and forever in the public domain.

    Any published work created between 1923 - 1963 with a copyright notice may be in the public domain. Copyright was granted for an initial 28 years. If it wasn't renewed...public domain.

    While it isn't always easy to tell what is or isn't in the public domain, fair use does allow for the use of copyrighted images and works as long as it is not for commercial use and does not decrease the value of the work or the creator's right to turn a profit -- among other things.

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    Any published work created between 1923 - 1977 without a...

    The best info on public domain and fair use can be found online: Here's a good place.

    My point is be responsible, and stop taking rights that may not (probably don't) belong to you. I've got some artist friends, and I've also had written works copied, without my permission. So I absolutely hate it, when I see someone using another's artwork, and not thinking twice about whether that person even wants them to use their stuff. This whole issue with Nappertiti makes my blood boil, for the same reasons. The artwork is not yours, and it's not public domain àƒ¢â‚¬â so get permission, or step off.

    Most of the artwork I see being used, is not even falling under the "public domain" category. The works were created after 1978, and the works display copyright notices, on the artists' websites. I wouldn't waste time, if we were talking about something from 1922, or an "icon" of a tomato, found on the internet. I know what I mean. Sorry if it wasn't clear to everyone else.

    If I'm not mistaken (and I could be), the author of a "work" can decide how I can use that work. They have the right to prohibit my use àƒ¢â‚¬â whether it's commercial or personal, with or without their permission àƒ¢â‚¬â if that work doesn't fall under the "public domain" category.

    "Fair use" is very tricky and has some specific guidelines.

    So again, I'm not here to argue what is public domain or fair use. If a work is not part of the "public domain", and quite a bit of the stuff is not (based on the definition), then don't act like it's yours, to do with as you wish.

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    this sounded like some personal beef to me!!

    anyways, i'm glad that you posted this cuz i wasnt sure if i should ask this in the biz forum or not (and i DID do a search already)

    but as a indie/ new upcoming tshirt designer, should i copyright EVERY SINGLE TSHIRT DESIGN I MAKE!?!?

    i see alot of screenprinted shirts online by young indie designers such as myself (who are in the sneaker movement) and ive often wondered if they copyright their things (besides their name) because copyrighting is timely and expensive

    now, i'm not sure if i wanna run with what i made in the long run anyways, so iono if its gunna be worth it..

    *sigH* i hope that i made sense..i just dont know anymore..

    p.s- whats the nappertiti design? is it the forum pin that we're speaking of?

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    yep

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    anyways, i'm glad that you posted this cuz i wasnt...

    Hey Buttah , to cut costs on copyrighting, you can create a document with several pages (it can be as simple as a book, word doument, pdf, etc. that you print out and staple together like a class handout) and submit the "book" with several designs of your designs (fills the pages with a thumbnail or image of the design) for copyriting. That way you copyright a lot with one entry fee.

    Like #7 said, it does have to do with whether it is used for commercial use and doesn't infringe on the right of a person to turn a profit. I am not disagreeing with the OP, but sometimes it isn't an issue if the person makes no money from using it and if proper credit is given. If anything you our providing free publicity. I have a paper which can be viewed online and I have seen many a website reference it or have it on their website. It amazes me, but as long as they have who it's by and the footnotes, references, etc. to give everyone proper credit, it is kinda' flattering and sort of markets my work to others.

    I know nothing about any infringing on the Nappertiti Pin, so I can't speak on that.

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    so i should just wait until i have all of design compliations then submit it? cuz honestly, i'm designing and creating the tee's all at once as i go along..

    *sigh*

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    hence i just draw my own

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    If someone uses the artwork of someone in an avatar, what exactly are they violating? The internet is a publicly-available domain, not licensed or controlled by any individual, company, or government; therefore, everything on the Internet is public domain, whether we like it or not, unless the courts deem otherwise, that is just the way it is.

    Folks got to be careful what they put up on the net and realize that anyone can get access to your stuff, whether legal or not (although thats highly debated among lawyers) people can and are using it. So if you don't anyone to use it, do like a lot of artists do and put sometime of silk screen over it such as your name several times across or do not copy several times across, if that is there, more than likely someone isn't going to post it cause it has all the words across it. Also, a lot of professional photographers and artists have their website set up so you can't copy an image or take it off their page to use on your desktop. When you try to do it, all you get is a blank image. Im assuming they pay for that service, but if people want to protect their stuff, that is what they are going to have to do. Is it fair that they should have to do all that, probably not, but again, its up to them what they want to protect or not protect.

    While being a creative person myself and respecting my creative family around the world, if I put something of mine on the net, I have to do so realizing it can be copied by someone. My stuff is copyrighted with the U.S. Copyright Office so its protected as far as someone else trying to make a profit, but if someone else uses it on their page, blog or whatever, whether I think its wrong or not, I can't do anything about it Again, thats a chance I take if I put it out there for the globe to see. So its up to me to take precautionary measures and protect my stuff by doing one or more of the things I listed above or anything else that will protect my stuff.

    I also highly doubt anyone can take anyone to court saying I am suing this person for putting my picture as their avatar on a website <_< If you know of a case like that, please share, Id be interesting in reading about that. But if someone isn't selling that image to make profit for themselves, I doubt they'll have a case. The right or wrong of it is a personal, ethical issue, but everyone doesn't have the same ethics (shoot some have none at all). I dont think anyone has a legal leg to stand on in a case like that.

    So yea, the internet allows folks access to a whole lot of stuff, so just be careful people what you put out there. Your only 100% safe bet is not to put it on the net, otherwise, there is a chance it will be used.

    Just my on the subject.

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    I was just curious sis, in the history of being on forum or any other website, have you never posted a celebrity picture or some picture of something you have seen on the net?

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    Also, a lot of professional photographers and artists have...

    If you can see it as an image, then it can be stolen . You just have to know HOW.

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    I agree with enlightened sista, if you are not making a profit from the image, then what is the problem? What harm does having an image in your avatar really do

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    :P

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    It is about respect of the creator. While it may not be illegal, it would be respectful to ask the creator before you use it.

    Being a designer myself, if I see something done by someone else and want to take another take on it, I will even ask for permission then because one thing I hate is to see my very idea used by somoene else w/ no credit on my contribution to their "inspiration."

    Sure you can not post it on the net, but in most cases, it is posted on the net to generate business or to make their portfolio of work accessible to a broader audience. Also ANYONE can get the picture even with right-click disabled. That means nothing these days.

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    *sigh*Yup. If you feel it's worth protecting and also in...

    ^That is so true!

    I'm an artist too, so I am all for protected what you create, but like Enlightened Sister said, you take the good with the bad when it's on the 'net and you try to do a watermark over your work, to mark your intellectual property and make sure credit is given to it's creator.

    You also got to keep in mind for educational purposes some liberties are made to educate and as long as money isn't made off it and not going to the creators. For exmaple, on research papers, copies of book chapters, professors and students are within their rights to use things and showcase it for education, lecture, etc. etc.

    Also, you can use stock photogrpahy and some stock comapny's online allows you to use images to comp work until it's used for the exchange of money or profit. You can also go to iStockPhoto.com to get some images fro cheaper prices than some of the other stock photo companies.

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    LOL you know what, that is true Which just goes to show NOTHING is safe on the net. Watermark your name all over that picture so whoever wants to use it will be like dang, I dont want to use it with this person's name all over it. Other than that, I don't really know what protection you can have against folks using your stuff if its on the net.

    Also to the OP, again, I asked if you have ever since youve been on forum (or any other message board) ever used a picture of a celebrity or someone else that you got off the net and posted in one of your posts? If so, then you have done exactly what you are urging others not to do. However, if you never have, then disregard the point I was making

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    So the moral of the story is, the world we live in isn't always ethical. If you don't want it used, don't put it out there.

    or watermark the heck out of it.

    Sad, but true.

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