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    First of all Does anyone conditioner wash their locs? If you do, how do you prevent build up? I've been using conditioner on my locs( nearly 2 years old.) I love the way they feel with condish so sometimes I'll do a mini-wash with just condish followed by acv rinse. I normally do the acv rinse after every wash and I wonder if it's okay to do this. Also, I won't go more than 3 condish washes without doing a 'poo wash with some sort of clean rinsing shampoo bc of build-up concerns. I would have liked to give up on shampooing, except maybe once a month and co-wash the rest of the time, but I'm not sure if it's a wise move. I'd love other's input - especially if you're co-washing, how long you've done it and what your results have been.

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    Well I'm not an expert on conditioner washes, but last month I decided that I wanted to do conditioner only washes...because I like the way conditioner makes my locs feel...also I have been using conditioner more lately because I've started swimming. However, I think I"m going to step away from the conditioner because it was making my locs too soft...and I started realizing that I personally need to ease up on the creamy products, however that doesn't mean I won't go back to it every now and then. But every other day was too much for me. However, if you're doing an acv rinse after each condition...I don't see why you would have build up. Especially if you wash/pro long rinse your hair fairly often. However, because our hair naturally leans towards the acidic side...I don't see how doing an acv rinse could harm your hair...but for me it would make my hair too hard. So if it works for you, I don't see why you would need to change it. However, I wouldn't completely give up on the shampoo......maybe once every two weeks or once a month? Currently, I wash my hair with shampoo maybe once or twice a week ...the rest of the days I just prolong rinse with water...and seal in the moisture with an oil concoction that feels as good as the conditioner....castor oil/kemi oyl/jojoba oil.

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    Illuminate83 thanks for the input. Is your hair naturally soft? How old are your locs? You're right, I shouldn't give up on shampoo altogether. I figured maybe once or twice a month will suffice. I 'm never without my trusty oil spritzes and I do prolonged rinses ocassionally. It will be good if some veterans chime in who have tried this. Maybe I will just have to be the guinea pig and report on my results, good or bad!!

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    Hi,

    My locs will be two years old in July...I"m not exactly sure what you mean by naturally soft? My natural hair is coarse, thick, and spongy especially when wet...but still has a soft feel to it. But by know means is it soft in the sense that I have had issues locing my hair...such as unraveling etc.

    Hope that helps =)

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    If you've had issues with your hair unraveling, I defintely would not condish wash every single time. What kind of condish are you using? If you use a mild shampoo, you may not feel like you have to condish wash frequently, and you can use a herbal conditioning rinse to get the same conditioning effect without worrying about a creamy product causing your locs to unravel or become too soft.

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    I co-wash exclusively, probably 2-3 times a week. Every couple of months, if needed I do ACV , then baking soda with the condish, then co wash again as a clarifying treatment. Build up is not an issue at all because I latch, wash frequently, and these are the only products that go on my hair besides some lavender water spritz or EVOO.

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    I would never just wash with conditioner. That's not a wash to me. I know it's a popular term. I need to shampoo or prolong rinse. I've used conditioner for about a year. Not regularly. When I do condition, usually I dilute it, like I do with my shampoo. I do an ACV rinse a few times a month. I'm sure conditioner has cleansing properties, but I need the lather...unless it's a grand poo bar.

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    I too need to shampoo, but infrequently. I've noticed that...

    How long have you had locs and how long have you followed this routine? I too don't use products other than oils and eos, occasionally a tiny bit of veg glycerine bc I latch every 2-3 mths. So I hope build-up will not be a problem.

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    Greetings all,
    my locs are about 5 years old now and i am in search of a deep conditioning regimen that i can use. i recently added color to my locs and i have noticed that they are always dry and i am experiencing some breakage in the middle.. is there anything that anyone can recommend.
    thanks in advance

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    How long have you had locs and how long have...

    My locks are 14 months old, so the routine is about the same. I undid a couple locks at 1 year, and had no build-up. BTW, I think my EVOO hot oil treatments help. Most people are trying to blast oils/product out of their locks with strong "clarifying" shampoos. But like disolves like, so I think the oil helps bring "stuff' out of the locks better, then it can be rinsed away.

    For me, co-washes, get my hair just as clean as when I shampooed. Trust me, I have always had the kind of scalp that could only go ~5 days between shampoos, even before I went natural. If I'd let a week go by I'd be scratching/flaking. So I'm sure what ever is in conditioners has similar cleansing properties to shampoo. I do rinse frequently though, 2-3 times a week. I don't get that sqeaky/stripped hair feeling, but have yet to feel an itch or see a flake

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    For me, co-washes, get my hair just as clean as...

    I see what you mean, about like disolving like. Some oils can cleansing as well. I do know for a fact that conditioners have some cleansing properties. I've read it several times during my research. What conditioner do u use?

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    My locs are 41 months. I wash them weekly, one week shampoo, the next week co-wash. I daily rinse during warmer months. I really don't use much oil or product on my locs in between and have found that they look and feel much better. The most that I will use is a spritz with a little oil, water, aloe vera gel and eo's mixed in. This is enough to add moisture and a nice scent. My locs are light and soft too.

    If I used heavy products, I would probably use shampoo more.

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    If your hair is 'LOCKED" per se I would not see the harm in using conditioners but again heavy laden creamy ones should be avoided because of the build up and if in the stage of locking avoid all together because it hinders the locking process. I use Burt's Bees Beet and Grapefruit maybe twice a year mostly I just wash my hair with castile soap with acv every other wash and I use my own EO mixture and that does the trick no built up and soft supple locks.

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    Ok, my question is with the ACV wash, can I use any ACV or does it have to be organic???

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    You can use ANY ACV. I used to use any ole vinegar until I discovered ACV which is obviously better by far. Organic is best, bc the less pollutants, the better.

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    Most loc wearers use too much shampoo... to do a normal head of hair you should use aprox a quater size amount of shampoo.

    How the heck can a quarters worth of shampoo clean my big head you may ask... simple you dilute the shampoo... I use a 16 oz spray bottle.

    You put the shampoo add water, and saturate the dry locs with the solution.

    Once my locs are wet I put them under a shower cap and let the shampoo do its job at breaking down the dirt.

    Hair feeling particularly gummy or product heavy... apply olive oil to you hair and let it set for 30 minutes or so, the oil will break down and draw out the dirt.

    What happens when your skin is dirty and you put oil on... the dirt beads up and rolls off.

    As far as conditioning washing goes... my rule is simple use the same amount of conditioner you would use for your loose hair except you are going to dilute it with water apply with the spray bottle and let it sit.

    Honestly I have found the best thing to remember about locs is well they are loced, matted hair tangled together.

    So washing and conditioning take time, like washing clothes... meaning let the product do the work and let it soak for awhile.

    And don't forget to rinse REALLY well by doing the prolonged rinsing.

    I usually recommend that you follow the routine that you followed when you were a loose nappy. If you shampooed every week then do so, if you were low poo or no poo then that will probably work best for your hair type now with locs.

    I usually spritz my hair with straight apple cider vinegar daily before I hop in the shower... I start with dry hair, do my shower routine to get clean then prolong rinse my hair.

    I shampoo MAYBE once every two or three months with an olive oil pre-treat.... but weekly I use a diluted conditioner wash for my hair.

    The thing that I have found is typically what worked for loose natural hair can be modified and used for locs. All hair will loc in time, if you want nice touchable locs then conditioning is essential.

    Hope that helps ~W

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    Ive been using ACV for the past few months and my hair is lighter now. Has anyone experienced this using ACv?

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    I just popped by and saw this thread for the...

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    I might try an ACV rinse to see how my hair responds to it...

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    How the heck can a quarters worth of shampoo clean...

    Thanks watercolorz. This post has answered my question. This is just the kind of routine I want to follow. I guess I'm a low poo-er not a no poo-er. I already do most of what you've mentioned except for a couple of things which I'm incorporating into my routine without delay. The main thing is, it works if you do it right and like you said, if you want nice touchable locs then conditioning is essential.

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    Okay, I'm not quite sure how to do the quote thing, so I hope everyone is able to follow along with me.

    socalday25--I agree with you.What is the need? Is it really possible to avoid build-up in locs if you use a cream conditoner? The cream conditioner is going to coat the hair, leaving a film that will become embedded in the loc. As a result, it becomes necessary to use the ACV to remove the buildup. Now, I understand that product use in general can build up on hair but why would you use a cream conditioner that is nearly impossible to remove? Why not use products that rinse easily from the hair to help reduce the amount of build up. Seems like by using the ACV right after conditioning you are getting rid of the conditioner that is having a positive effect on your hair. Is it possible that the end result is because of the ACV rinse and not the conditioner?

    If the desire is to soften locs, why not make or add certain ingredients to products to achieve the desired results. For example, olive oil and chamomile can be added to moisturize and soften dry hair. The following essential oils can be added to products for moisturizing: Almond oil, chamomile, basil, cocoa butter, lecithin, castor oil, avocado oil, comfrey, aloe vera, shea butter, apricot oil and jojoba. For softening add: lavender, rose hip seed oil, ginseng, coltsfoot, rosemary, jojoba oil, avocado, papaya, castor oil, evening primrose, coconut oil, sandalwood and borage.

    I just recently had my 2nd set of locks done, but prior to I was locked for 18 months. I stuck with a spray with the above mentioned ingredients and kept my scalp oiled using essential oils and olive oil as the base. I am going to be using a Lemon Rinse that is supposed to accelerate the coiling process. If anyone is interested, I'll be more than happy to provide the recipe.

    As for the lightening of hair due to the ACV....it's may be because the ACV was not rinsed completely for your locks. As a result the sun helped with the lightening assisted by the ACV.

    But please, I recognize that each person has to do what is right for her/his hair. By no means do I know it all. I'm just sharing the little bit of knowledge that I have acquired. And sometimes.....a little knowledge can be a good and a dangerous thing.

    Good luck!!!

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    Ofo I like V05: cheap (~$1/bottle), easily rinsed, free of -cones and other objectionable chemicals, smells like heaven. If I'm wanting some extra lushness, I love Oyin's Honey Hemp

    Socalady and Twisted: A search of the natural hair forum for the term "no-poo" (no shampoo)will let you know where we are coming from. Here's the basics:
    Shampoo is made to strip oils from hair. Products with certain alcos and silicone type ingredients are especially drying. Hair oils help retain moisture in the hair. Shampoo is damaging to curly hair which tends to be drier as oils can't make it from scalp to tip. Commercial conditioners contain cleansing agents, which is why they suds up. Cleansing the scalp with gentle agitation and conditioner (co-wash or conditioner wash) leaves you with a clean scalp and clean well- moistruized hair, instead of crunchy/stripped hair.

    The idea of no/low poo was developed by Lorrraine Massey and is discussed in her book "Curly Girl". Lots of folks care for their loose natural hair in this way, either not using shampoo at all, using it rarely/and then only diluted. The OP was wondering if locks could be groomedthis way as well. My locks are 14 months old, and I've only put diluted shampoo on them maybe once. I've used diluted Dr. Bronner's maybe twice. Otherwise its between only conditioner washes. I get lots of compliments on how soft, shiny and clean (build-up free) my locks are.

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    I agree ww/ some of what the other posters wrote... ive done a conditioner wash w/ coconut milk when my hair has felt a lil dryer due to my own neglect w/ not covering my hair night or something like that, but im an advocate of shampooing. not all shampoos have harsh ingredients that strip moisture and natural oils from the hair.

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    Socalady and Twisted: A search of the natural hair...

    Thanks Raya,
    I've got (or rather my daughter has) some alberto vo5 conditioner, amongst the ingredients is demethicone. It's way down on the list so I wonder if it's okay. What type of vo5 do you use? This says MOISTURE SOAK on the front.
    Oh, and thanks again for clarifying the issue about shampoo as opposed to conditioner washes. I felt too tired to respond to Socalady. You're spot on. I've done my research and I know how damaging some shampoos can be, especially to coily hair and I know about the cleansing properties of conditioner AND I know how my own hair feels. To illustrate this, a friend( church) was telling me how dry and hard her baby's afro was. She'd tried everything. I suggested she try conditioner washes. She was sceptical but decided to try it. I didn't see her for several weeks until one day she cornered me church to tell me how grateful she was. She wanted me to feel her son's hair and truth to tell it was very soft. They're Nigerians and the baby has extremely dense, super-tight coily texture. I recommend Low-pooing to anyone who experiences problems with shampoo, and if it doesn't work for them they can just go back to shampoo.

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    socalday25--I agree with you.What is the need? Is it really...

    Twistednubian, I have already tried just about everything you mentioned. I've had varying results and the best thing for conditioning and washing the hair for me is... conditioner! I've used acv from day one. I avoided conditoners for a year so I do know the difference I get from acv alone and co-wash +acv. I also dilute everything that goes on my locs for even distribution and avoidance of build-up. I have my trusted water/eo/oil spritz for daily conditioning. So my aim was to find out if somone else was doing co-washes succesfully, whether build-up is an issue and how to avoid it if so.

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    I've got (or rather my daughter has) some alberto vo5...

    There's quite a few that I use:
    Kiwi Lime Clarifying, Moisture Milks-Passionfruit, Strawberry or Raspberry, Silky Experiences lavender. I would def stay away from the dimethicone, as suggested in the Curly Girl book.

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    I wonder if they're available here(UK), but I'll keep an eye out for them. The only v05 I've ever seen are those ole ones that've been around for ages.

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    Socalady and Twisted: A search of the natural hair...

    Thanks for this information.

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    My pleasure Soca. You should give it a try. No-pooing has been like a revelation for me. Just be sure to use an easily rinsed ( like V05 or Suave) conditioner. I've got everyone in my house doing it.

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    anyone else want to weigh in on noo poo and locs?

    ED

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    I got build-up from v05's passion fruit conditioner.
    Maybe if I dilute it a lot, to where I have more water than conditioner, I won't get it...?

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