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    What irked Vanessa is when Crystal said, "You don't want to stop the f'ing fight, you want to see an f'ing fight." Now, that comment was directed at Vanessa specifically. Vanessa then said, "Crystal you can suck a fat bleep bleep because bleep bleep...." Then she ran from there. My question is, how did Crystal have a shoe ready to hit Vanessa if she didn't know Vanessa was coming?! Answer: She knew Vanessa was on her way. She knew what buttons to push and that Vanessa would fall for it.

    As for who hit who first... I still don't know. I think Crystal provoked it all with what she said.

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    I watched the clip over and over krystal swung first when vansessa came around the corner. If you watch it slow u see vanessa head snapp from the slap the krystal gave her.

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    the whole first half of the fight krystal is using a shoe

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    From the clip it looks like Krystal struck first, as Vanessa came around the corner. _headshake:

    I didn't get to see the show. Anybody know when BET will repeat?

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    DANG! I didn't know she did all of that!!! All I saw was a mass of bodies flopping around in front of the cameras...then Vanessa came out with blood on her face.

    That's messed up!

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    I didn't get to see the show. Anybody know when...

    They may right before the new episode next week at 10. This is the only episode I've seen outside of the very first one so I can't say for sure.

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    I didn't get to see the show. Anybody know when...

    Friday night 7:30
    Saturday afternoon 3:30
    Saturday evening 7:30

    I saw it and I, too, am surprised that BET chose to show such a violent, blood fight.
    And I co-sign, Krystal was standing there ready with her shoe. She should be sent home...she don't want to be there anyway and I'm tired of her annoying A**!

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    granted Crystal IS ANNOYING AS HELL and I feel she...

    did you see all that blood? And in the little bit of time it happened in? Her whole face was covered in blood...she effed baby gurl up....

    I like Vanessa so Im sorta biased and hope she stays

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    That bloody face of Vanessa's... wow. I didn't know Krystal hit Vanessa first, it appeared to me that Vanessa came around the corner and was trying to fight first, but I could be wrong. And I didn't think what they were arguing about was that serious in the first place.

    But what about Peaches in season two (?), when she got into an agrument with Jon and almost pushed him in the fire? Wow, that was so not funny but I cried laughing when that happened.

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    Well if Crystal hit Vanessa first, I'd say it was in self defense. I'd probably hit someone without thinking if they came running towards me like they were about to attack me.

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    Looking at it again with everyone saying Krystal hit Vanessa first, I'd have to agree with you. I don't think Vanessa was running up on her to just get in her face and scream and shout. I'd bet money she ran up on her to lay hands on her and I do feel that Krystal was justified. As for the shoe, I figured she heard Vanessa's scream getting closer and decided to get something to protect herself. So I still think the fault lies on Vanessa for running over to her, breaking point or not, and she should be sent home to work on her anger management issues. Especially considering that disturbing song she wrote. Recent events have shown that you can't let such things slide _headshake: .

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    I agree. Krystal had quickly left the room and Vanessa ran after her screaming. I don't think she'd be running after her like that just to yell, she wanted to fight. If someone came running at me I'd grab the nearest thing to protect myself. I think Krystal was completely justified. Plus Krystal doesn't strike me as the violent type. She seems like she's all talk. Vanessa however always seemed crazy to me. Her confessionals were always so angry and that rap was just sick. I truly hope Vanessa goes home and gets some help. No matter what someone says to you, there is no excuse to run after them to fight. Childish.

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    watching it on television i though vanessa struck krystal first, however after replaying it a couple of times it is very evident that krystal hit her. i think that vanessa just wanted to get all up in krystal's face. i think krystal premeditated that fight. When she saw vanessa coming around the corner ... krystal ran and got a shoe

    just wanted to add that krystal probably hit vanessa in the head because she thought vanessa was going to pull out all of her hair

    this is kind of off topic, but I can't believe this fight started over jt getting mad at ideesha for speaking the language she feels comfortable speaking. she wasn't even talking too him or about about him (I couldn't really understand her but it sounded like she was talking about pizza)

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    I find it really strange how when people thought Vanessa hit Krystal first it was all "she needs to learn how to control her temper and blah blah" but when the video speaks the truth all of a sudden it's " she knew what Vanessa was coming to do so she picked up whatever she could find to protect herself" <_< Double standard here...

    I also saw it on BET so I didnt catch the first part of the fight...I knew Krystal had to have something in her and to cause so much damage...

    I just find it unfair that if everyone here can see that Krystal dealt the first blow why does there seem to be a question as to who should go home; at least that's what they make the preview for the next show look like..

    Anywho as for the guys I hate J.T yea I said it hate...the way he chose to end it with his girl was pathetic...And the way he picked fights with Idesha was immature...he has a lot of growing up to do..And after it all I believe his girl back home is gonna get back with him...

    I love love LOOOVE Chicky all that hair and height...plus he seems to be a sweetheart

    It's too bad Falon fell into Krystal's negative vibe cause Krystal is going to leave and she is gonna look like a fool cause the only other person she has is J.T and he's gonna make up with Idesha sooner or later....

    I like Willie and his neutral take on the whole "segregation"....To me I find the V.I kids are trying to make peace with the whole thing and the vibe started with Krystal and just spread throughout the house...

    That mini jump up they had looked like fuuuunnnnn!! I wanted to be there!

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    I also saw it on BET so I didnt catch...

    I disagree. If someone is charging at you, you have every right to defend yourself. If Vanessa hadn't charged at Krystal I'd bet money there never would've been a fight. So I still think Vanessa needs to learn to control her temper and not run after people just because they annoy you.

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    Iàƒ¢â‚¬â„¢ve watched the first couple episodes of CH. Meant to watch this episode but fell asleep and had to watch the fight on the net.

    IA with those that said Vanessa has anger issues and shouldàƒ¢â‚¬â„¢ve walked away rather than let Krystal goad her into a confrontation. However, I think Krystal should be the one to go home for the simple fact that she picked up a weapon. Either she saw Vanessa charging her and grabbed the first thing she laid eyes on or she was waiting, shoe in hand for Vanessa to round the corner, the fact is that she grabbed a weapon. What if they were in the kitchen? Would it have been okay for her to pick up a knife and defend herself? If she had, would there even be a discussion of who should go home?

    I donàƒ¢â‚¬â„¢t think it would be fair to send Vanessa home because even though she charged at Krystal she did not hit her first and technically did not start the fight.

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    I agree that whomever hits 1st should go home...plain and simple. Plus, if Vanessa goes home, then it is not exactly like Crystal is safe...Vanessa lives like 1 one island over. Additionally she remains at risk b/c her personality is simply asking for a beat down by Idesha. Sending Crystal home would be the right thing to do and in her own best interest.

    In other news: I'm surprised there were no remarks here about Crystal commenting to Andres 'Shut your white skin azz up...white skin...white skin...white skin'. If she had said 'black skin' Lord knows that there would have been a firestorm of comments...so I kinda expected some reaction to this.

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    In other news: I'm surprised there were no remarks here...

    I so agree with you!! IT's so sad that Crystal said a comment like that. I think that it was so ignorant. She's lucky that he didn't hit her for saying that. I don't know to me it's like Crystal has been asking for a fight all season long. She just needs to go home because she wants to go home. From day one she has been complaining.

    I also agree with you Kurliehead when you asjed , " What if they were in the kitchen would it have been okay for her to pick up a knife?" That's crazy! She could have easily picked up something that would have caused more damage. It's all just a shame. Granted Vanessa was crazy for writing that PSYCHO rap/song whatever you want to call it....but what if Crystal did cause some serious damage to Vanessa's eye...Hmmm It wouldn't be a matter of who is going home but Who is getting sued...

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    I just saw a clip of the fight and I am completely disgusted. With the way those two girls were fighting someone could have been killed. The heel of the shoe could have struck Vanessa's neck and hit her jugular, and she would be dead.

    The BET staff allowed this fight to escalate without stepping in. Even on Flavor of Love and I love new york, production staff stepped in so no one would kill each other.

    I didn't anticipate that the fight would have been so brutal with the way people are defending each girl involved. It makes me sick, and I am happy I took BET of my tv package.

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    Yes, her comment was horrible and so was his (calling her a female canine). I think the entire season should just wrap it up. Have past seasons been this divided?

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    As I said in my earlier post, I have not watched each and every episode so I don't understand where the animosity is coming from between the Island kids and the US kids. Can someone explain this to me? Shoot, if it were me and I had the chance to live in VI like them, I would be soaking up the culture, food, and sun.

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    One word... Crystal!

    You ain't know. I would be CHILLIN and getting into everything about that culture, especially the food.

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    I finally watched this show and all I can do is shake my head. What is wrong w/ those children from California? They are so backwards and trifling. Who misses Taco Bell,
    American Eagle or The Gap? Krystal is so low-class it's ridiculous. How are you going to complain about the shopping when you can't afford a manicure? I so hope they send her home. She took the situation to a physical level and used a weapon. I also think JT should fall off the face of the earth and never come back. He claims to be so religious yet routinely calls women out of their names.

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    Okay yall. I have watched the fight numerous times on Youtube. I finally caught the actual episode on BET. Something I haven't heard said about the fight and that I hadn't noticed before now is that Krystal actually ran and grabbed the shoe. She hadn't left the situation and Vanessa just came after her. If you notice, she had started to walk away after making her comment and when Vanessa was telling her to suck a fat *bleep* she had turned around and was arguing with her from behind Willie's back. It wasn't until Vanessa hit the wall that she turned around and ran, and Willie holding Vanessa back gave her just enough time to find a shoe for the purpose of attack/defense. Now, I haven't been watching the show so I don't have any bias toward either. I think if either one goes home, they both go home.

    Oh, and all that blood just came from the gash in Vanessa's forehead from the shoe. I can even tell the exact hit that caused it. I watched that fight way too many times.

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    I usually don't watch the show but I checked out the episodes today. I thought it was effed up that she hit her with the shoe...that's so low. I can't stand the Cali kids complaining about the VI. You got to go somewhere for free and enjoy another culture. There are many others who would love to experience a rich culture such as that. Unless that rift was planned if you know what I mean. I think Krystal should go home...she wants to go home anyway...

    I like the VI kids better. They seem to be more understanding and tolerant of the Cali kids's comments.

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    do these kids go to class? do they have tasks to do . all they do is sit around and b_tch. on "the real world" the producers give the cast a task/job. whether it's promoting a club, running a youth center or producing a local t.v. show- the kids had SOMETHING to do.

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    Yea they've shown them going to class, mostly the first day, but you know that going to class doesn't bring ratings.

    I agree with the previous, I'd be trying to soak up the culture.

    How do you start a fight and lose?
    I can't blame krystal for grabbing the shoe. Vanessa shouldn't have rushed her like that. Self defense...
    I'd like to see her go home anyway though, because she's annoying.

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    Ok, I just watched on BET's website which is clearer than the link someone posted earlier. My take on how it went down, while Crystal was still running off at the mouth and Vanessa cursing at her, Crystal turned around to start straightening up her bed or a mattress on the floor. Vanessa started charging towards Crystal, but Willie caught her, during that time she was trying to get pass Willie, Crystal walked further away and picked up the shoe. I'm still not clear who threw the first lick because I saw both of their arms flying. Crystal was pounding Vanessa in the head/face with the shoe, but somehow Vanessa gained control and got a hold of Crystal and beat her butt and grabbed her by the head.

    After analyzing this all, my position is that both of them should go home. Vanessa for starting the fight by charging after Crystal (I still feel she should have took a walk instead of going after Crystal) and Crystal for using a weapon.

    ETA: I don't recall them showing the cast after they aired the fight on Tuesday. But there was public service announcement by the cast about how fighting is not the answer. Of course BET wrote the lines for them to say because they were reading them.

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    YES. I do blame her for getting a shoe. That was WRONG. Krystal prevoked it. She should stand up like a real woman and deal with what she started. If it was a man trying to fight you-YES, pick up a shoe. If it was a girl twice your size-YES pick up a shoe. But when a chick that is just as annorexic as you gets in your face because YOU are the one ALWAYS talkin' mess, NO don't grab a dangerous weapon.

    Krystal is crazy and psycho for getting a shoe and stabbin her in the head like that. Vanessa should have f_cked her up. I actually thought Krystal was brushing her hair or something and just happened to have a brush in her hand.

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    I am tellin y'all...Krystal was not minding her own business and Vanessa just charged her. You can't see it really well because it's dark where she is, but she actually runs (either to get away from Vanessa or to go get the shoe) and that shoe was purposely in her hand by the time Vanessa got to her. The first few times I saw the video I was focused on Vanessa saying "Krystal...go suck a fat....etc, etc." so I didn't pay attention to what else was going on in the scene. But if you look at Willie while Vanessa is saying that you'll see that Krystal actually came back and was talking noise until Vanessa hit the wall. She ran, and Vanessa gave chase. Willie momentarily stopped her which gave Krystal time to find a weapon. That's why she had it ready for when Vanessa broke free.

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