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    Hello Ladies

    Some time back I read either and article or a thread about a women who conducted or was present during autopsies and noted that when they performed the autopsy of a black female with relaxed hair they saw green on her brain when they peeled back the scalp.

    I would like to find this article or thread to use as part of a paper I am writing for a class. Can anyone help?

    Thanks

    Jen

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    I read about this on blackvoices over a year ago and I wish I would have copied it. Reading the article made me wonder what the perm was doing to my head and why was I continuousy allow someone to put the harsh chemical on my scalp and hair. The same day I read about hairtipsforme on the same thread and I decided to go natural two months later. With all the veterans on here, somebody will post it for you.

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    Haven't found that particular article yet, just references by other people to it. Some say the green layer is lime. I'm still doing a search through EBSCOhost to find a scientific paper, I'm guessing that's what you need for your paper. the only thing I have found is the possiblity of using hair follicals as an entry point for drug therapy. This article would show that it's possible for substances to get under the scalp, but I don't know if it's too technical for what you need it for.

    But I'm still looking I would be nice to find the source of the "green scalp rumor"

    Here's information to another article that may be good. I can't find the full text yet, maybe Ms has back issues on it's website

    Dangers in African American hair fashion. Ms., Jul92, Vol. 3 Issue 1, p39, 2p

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    Not sure if this is true, but my youngest daughter saw this on TV and this made her stop putting relaxers in her hair which was good thing. :P

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    Wow. Never heard of this phenomenon but I'd sure like to read the article

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    Some time back I read either and article or a...

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    Glad I don't relax anymore...that's just freaky.

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    That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.... between the hair and the brain is this big piece of bone called the skull!! No one is seeing GREEN BRAINS during autopsies!

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    Q. Now you have an interesting concept on how the perm under the scalp effects the new growth. Can you explain it?

    We all know they did a study about 10 yrs ago on black women specifically who had perm their hair and they went to the continent and got African woman who never put a perm in their hair. They also did with African Americans here who never put a perm in their hair its just harder to find that here. They found that African American woman who perm on their hair extensively over a along period of time had a green layer that happened its like the chemicals collect under the surface of your skin, They could not tell you exactly what it was but they did x-rays and cat scans, they could actually see a thin layer green stuff surrounding your scalp. So that green doesn't just dissipate over a one month two month three month period, it actually take six to seven months for your hair to actually be the texture that it will always be from your perm. Then it will take years to soften up and get a whole other texture because your body continues to (purge). I have dealt with a sister's hair specifically, growing their hair out for about two years and you could actually feel the difference in their texture as time goes on. Because it has to grow threw the perm and go through the goop that's in there it has to go through it. So when people get happy, I have grown my hair out for two months. You have to keep going because I can't do anything yet, I can't do everything you want even if you cut it because your texture isn't ready.

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    That too. With search I did to track down what the OP was referring to I forgot to mention that they couldn't have found a green brain...maybe a green residue between the scalp and skull, but since I found no journal articles, science papers on it or even other Internet pages referring to it, I doubt this story.

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    We all know they did a study about 10 yrs...

    I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt this as well. And for many reasons:
    1. Studies (research) costs a lot of money and sorry to say, no one is interested in funding studies about the effect of relaxers on african american hair...there are barely enough studies about serious medical conditions and their effects on african americans
    2. xrays show bone
    3. cat scans come in two colors: grey and white and the scalp itself shows up as thin line...there would be no way to see a thin layer of anything else

    I'm not trying to be argumentative but I believe strongly in sharing only the truth, especially when there is a hint of medical information involved.

    I know that being natural has been made hard and difficult for most of the world to accept b/c of a lot lies and propaganda but I don't believe that we should do the same for relaxers. Being natural is healthier for the hair. That much is apparent. Why can't we leave it at that.

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    ^^^well said bouncy1920

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    i know it has been discussed at great detail on here a while back. they werent saying a green brain...but like a thin green film (that can also be found in avid swimmers, etc)

    then there were those that testified to having been in autopsy room or having mothers/aunts having witnessed things of that nature on their job.

    <<shrugs shoulders>> i just know that im natural now and forever.

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    I have to admit that this reference to green scalp/ layer has always been of interest to me. But I guess the question I have is if there is residue left over by the perm, why doesn't the body have a defensive reaction to it. Everytime something foriegn is put into the body the body fight it and at least causes allergic like symptoms. If this is true , half of most black women ( or more, i don't know the ratio of natural to relaxed women) would be experiencing symptoms. I think this may just be a nappy urban legend.

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    Is it possible that those symptoms are presented in the form of the various forms of scalp problems that no derm can find a cure for? the infamous 'short hair', 'tender spot', 'constant itching'? or could fibroid tumors be a byproduct? we are more prone to have those than any other race of women...

    just something to think about

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    i'm also very interested abt this and would love to find actually scientific documentation concerning it (as opposed to references to it in blog etc) but i haven't been successful yet. i did speak to a friend of mine who knows a bit abt chemistry and she said she didn't buy it just based on her knowledge of what's in relaxers (i.e the chemical ingredients) and how the body should respond in a situation like that (e. g she thinks that any residue - if residue actually does accumulate should be white or beige in colour but not green). anyway if anyone comes across the results from an actual study could you please post it. i'm really interested.
    thanks much
    sn

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    Using PubMed and the keywords "chemical fire cream" "african american" I found the one and only study available:

    Hair-chemical fire cream use and risk of preterm birth among African-American women.

    Rosenberg L, Wise LA, Palmer JR.

    Slone Epidemiology Center, Boston University, Boston, MA 02215, USA.

    PURPOSE: To assess whether hair-chemical fire cream use is associated with an increased risk of preterm birth among African-American women. METHODS: We used data from the Black Women's Health Study. The participants were enrolled in 1995 and provided follow-up information in 1997, 1999, and 2001. Among 6130 singleton births reported by women <45 years of age during follow-up, 497 were preterm (<37 weeks gestation) because of premature rupture of membranes or spontaneous preterm labor for no known reason. In a case-control analysis, we compared the 497 preterm births with the 5633 births of longer gestation, and we used generalized estimation equation models to estimate multivariable odds ratios of preterm birth for users of hair relaxers. RESULTS: With control for confounding factors, the odds ratio for preterm birth among ever users of hair relaxers relative to never users was 1.0 (95% confidence interval, 0.6-1.. No elevations were seen in risk for use started at a young age or for frequent use for long durations. CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that hair-chemical fire cream use does not play a role in the etiology of preterm birth in Black women.

    PMID: 16259506

    In my mind, the rumor about a green residue from relaxers (no one can agree where it is) is so ridiculous that it is hard for me to believe that anyone would believe it, but then again, I work in the medical field. I do wonder if sometimes we can be so anti-chemical fire cream that we allow ourselves to ignore common sense to believe something like green residues at autopsies.

    Here are more reasons why the past comments are incorrect:
    1. no family member is EVER going to be allowed to attend the autopsy of a loved one. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO??? THAT'S SICK!
    2. A layperson such a family member: mother or aunt has NO ideal what they are looking at...dried blood can look black, green whatever to person who doesn't know what they are looking at, plus body fluids can change colors depending on how they are preserved
    3. If there was a green layer that could be proven to exist (and to date it hasn't) don't you think our lawsuit happy nation would have sued every chemical fire cream company from here to kingdom come.

    Please, let's let this one rest. RIP!
    :P

    I GUESS THIS THING AUTOMATICALLY CHANGES RE.LAXER TO WHATEVER B/C I DID NOT USE THAT TERM IN THIS REPLY OR THE SEARCH. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S A LITTLE EXTREME.

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    Very extreme

    The same thing happens with other word like hawt comb and curly iorn.

    had to change up the words ya know

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