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    the thing is about Carmella and that money - she acting like she did all that stuff ALONE! If it weren't for Tony and her dad helping her out she would be just sitting there figuring out what she will do with her life once Tony goes to jail or worse so Tony was RIGHT! If he hadn't leaned on the inspector and given her the seed money she wouldn't be sitting there talking about "my" nothing. As Tony said - she can go live in a box after he is gone for all he care. Rather cold and callous but that is what that lifestyle is about. Carmella is not much better than Tony.
    I disagree. In marriages, spouses are SUPPOSED to help one another out. What does Tony want . . . a cookie for helping Carmella. He was just jealous that her project was successful and the money he bet on the horses tanked.

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    You are right - in marriage the partneres help each other out so why was Carmella calling it HER MONEY? It isn't it is THEIR MONEY.

    Also, her job wasn't successful WITHOUT Tony and she must acknowledge that b/c that house was NOT going to pass inspection! No passy passy, no selly selly no money money.

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    Also, her job wasn't successful WITHOUT Tony and she must acknowledge that b/c that house was NOT going to pass inspection! No passy passy, no selly selly no money money.
    Exactly! Her job wouldn't have flown without Tony and she acknowledged that and thanked him for his help. So, as her husband, he should not be expecting anything in return cuz it was all about lurrv.

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    Spoiler....for those who haven't seen it

    Tonight's episode.....left me looking like For all the evil Chris-ta-fah has done.......that's how he goes out.... :Angry:

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    I shouldnt even be here since I didn't see this episode yet but I swear either Tony or AJ's gonna end up dead or in jail.

    This is not where I should be too many spoilers! *tip toes away*

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    I just cant express myself right now.

    ETA: Ok. I'm back. There are only three good actors that I would even take the time to watch and now all three are on my :Angry: list (in a 'you played that role too good' kinda way):
    1. Denzel Washington in Training Day;
    2. Chow Yun Fat in Curse of the Golden Flower; and now
    3. Tony Soprano

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    I'll raise you a

    I must have missed something between the Kaisha episode and this one

    I hate Tony Soprano now.

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    Tony is a heartless prick! Christopher has done mad dirt for him and was the ONLY loyal mofo besides Sil. I can't believe he said he was relieved. What an a-hole. He was the one who came to you when Ade went nuts and talked to the feds. He gave up the woman he only ever loved to show his loyalty. He butchered bodies, he kept your wife sane when your punk self was damn near dying.

    He tripped out all because he made a movie? So what! I think Tony's conscience was riding him hard about how dirty he's been treating and allowing others to treat him just as bad.

    And what was up with telling everybody about the baby seat? Point? That was the weakest way episode. The only strong point was the fact that Tony killed Chris and tried to blame the accident. He cut off his airway. Jerk.

    And yet, he didn't have the balls to kill Paulie who is the worst. Plus he should know that Paulie is dirty because he cut Carmela short on Tony's cut while he was in the hospital.

    And then he went and got high and laughed about his death. I can't believe this mofo. I hope he gets shanked.

    As for AJ, I think they are trying to start the plot line that AJ will one day be ruthless enough to take his dad's spot.

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    He tripped out all because he made a movie? So...

    The point of going on about the baby seat was to make Chrissy look bad after death (suggesting he was so messed up he would have put his own child's life in danger) and try to clear his own conscience after what he had done. He also kept trying to get people to admit that they were somewhat "relieved" that Chris was dead, again to ease his own guilt.

    So the writers are definitely trying to make us see how really depraved Tony is. I read somewhere that David Chase is kind of horrified at how sympathetic so much of the general public is to Tony Soprano, who is a mob boss and ruthless killer.

    While the murder of Chrissy was cruel, dramatically it made sense. Tony has been suspecting for weeks that Chris might prove to be his downfall, between the horribly unflattering portrait he painted in his film (suggesting that Chrissy hates Tony and wants to see him dead) to his slowly trying to extricate himself from the business (by being distant and branching out to film). Last week in his drug-fueled rage Chris was telling JT that if he wanted to, he could make one phone call and the whole crew would go down. I disagree that Chris was loyal. Chris was starting to show himself to be disloyal, and sooner or later he was going to flip. The fact that Chrissy was hopped up on drugs gave Tony the perfect excuse to eliPreodenolveVte his problem. It became clear that Chris was a junkie who would never be able to get his life together and would always be a risk to Tony. Plus, once they found the drugs in his system, the FBI would have the perfect excuse to pinch him. It was just a question of time. I don't say all this to justify what Tony did (Chrissy was my favorite character and the one I felt the most for), just explain why in Tony's selfish view it had to happen.

    That said, that was the cruelest of all of Tony's murders

    I think AJ has emerged as an important character. Before Blanca dumped him, he was on a more gentle, caring path. He's mixed up with the wrong crowd now but I don't believe he has it in him to join the life. His last therapy session showed that unlike his father, its not too late for him-- he still has a conscience.

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    LOLOL! I know sometimes people just do not go out in a blaze of glory.

    Tonight's episode.....left me looking like For all the evil...

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    Tony is a heartless prick! Christopher has done mad dirt for him and was the ONLY loyal mofo besides Sil. I can't believe he said he was relieved. What an a-hole. He was the one who came to you when Ade went nuts and talked to the feds. He gave up the woman he only ever loved to show his loyalty. He butchered bodies, he kept your wife sane when your punk self was damn near dying.
    ITA. Even mobsters have an unwritten code of ethics. Geesh! Then he even went to Vegas and slept with Chris' cumare. How low down is that!

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    Did you all notice that in the preview for next week, Tony says to Carmela "poor you"? That was Livia's mantra. So basically, Tony is turning into his mother. It looks like there will be no redemption for Tony. I'm thinking that his story arc will be that he accepts himself for who he is (therapy be dammed) and end up more evil than he started. That's one of the reasons I love this show-- the audience probably wants a cuddly ending for Tony (we the viewers are like Carmela, we see what we want to see in him) but they are going balls out in doing just the opposite.

    James Gandolfini is just too good as this character.

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    Okay I missed it last night because I watching The Godfather II on Spike (I obviously have something for mob movies/shows ). Y'all I just KNEW that that car accident was going to be a dream of Tony's or Chris's. I mean Chris DID just shoot dude last week for no freakin' reason but I'm at a loss here. Can somebody just PLEASE explain to me WHY Tony killed him? Is it because he knew that Chris started to resent him? They started off this season talking about how they loved each other??? I never thought that Tony would kill him and I'm struggling y'all. Did anybody notice the look in his eyes when he was suffocating him? Then had the nerve to wipe his blood back on him. Tony is definitely Boss material and there is no doubt about that.

    Twistocrates - I feel you on your list but I gotta add one more and that's Danny Glover in The Color Purple.

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    I hate Tony Soprano now....

    You know! Not like he wasn't deserving of hate before, but he just really went there now.

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    While the murder of Chrissy was cruel, dramatically it made sense. Tony has been suspecting for weeks that Chris might prove to be his downfall, between the horribly unflattering portrait he painted in his film (suggesting that Chrissy hates Tony and wants to see him dead) to his slowly trying to extricate himself from the business (by being distant and branching out to film).

    IA with your entire post except for this. I don't think he was trying to remove himself because he hated the business. I believe he was trying to help himself. Sitting around drinking is what they do 95% of the time. And they all knew he was trying to be a better man and leave the booze and alcohol alone. Yet instead of trying to really help him, they put up a phony persona and talked about him behind his back. Especially Paulie. The comment he made about his daughter being a future stripper was way out of line.

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    All's quiet on the Soprano's front. Nobody died in this episode, but because the relationship between Jersey and New York has soured, I think we can say that it's officially ON.

    AJ, bless his heart , that boy needs some help before somebody finds him .

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    AJ has PROBLEMS and is so weak he just makes me think "punk" every time I see him.

    Meadow - if she was wearing a veil about what business her father was in before, this really struck home - he was out of line for what he did.

    Tony -I just knew Tony was going to kill him but I am glad he showed restraint!

    Phil's crew - oh it is OFFICIALLY on now!!

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    Carmella had me cracking up when she said "no Tony your family doesn't talk, your father just took a gun and shot it through your mother's beehive hair do" lol

    Guess I'm not really taking it too seriously that Tony killed Cristafah. He's Tony Soprano, thats what he does

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    I was hollering when Phil Leotardo was yelling at Tony and Carmine from his window like a petulant little child. I can't stand that SOB! :Angry: My biggest wish is that Phil gets whacked. He has to. What a repugnant mofo!

    How dare they make us wait 2 weeks for the next ep! As if waiting 2 years between seasons wasn't bad enough!

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    LOL

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    How dare they make us wait 2 weeks for the...

    I was JUST coming to ask y'all what was going on!!?? Geezzzz had my mouth all ready for this last sip o' lemonade...okay that ain't got nothin' to do with this but still...

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    O-M-G did y'all SEE THAT??!!! My nerves are just shot y'all. I'm scared...and I don't know if I can handle watching the final ep..

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    I was GLUED to the TV. Finally some key characters WHACKED.

    I can't wait for next week. inch:

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    I can't wait for next week. inch: ...

    They all came from Tony's camp though. Dang that Phil is smarter and has more balls than I thought (I sound like I'm on the show huh?) But for real. I seriously underestimated him. I can't BELIEVE that Tony's camp killed the wrong people

    ETA: AJ is working me. I think that he's milking his situation. Is it just me?

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    AJ is a punk and Phil is very smart. Tony's crew didn't kill the wrong people - the folks they hired who have no clue about Phil did. Just sorry!

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    ETA: AJ is working me. I think that he's milking his situation. Is it just me?
    I thought Tony was gonna pull a christopher on AJ for a minute there. Tony just snaps sometimes. But AJ was milking it though.

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    Girl ME TOO!! (getting loud like I'm at the club) Somebody answer this for me so that I can be ready to take it. Is Tony Soprano going to die? I know that the Tony's be asking for it (think Scarface) and I don't know what the heck is wrong with me for feeling sympathy for these murderers and not wanting to see them die but it be a lil rough on me. lory30 you are right. The whole thing was just a huge screw up though geez...

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    First of all, HBO is dead freaking wrong for letting the series finale be only an hour long. After 7 freaking years they expect us to be satisfied with just one damn hour! They're breaking my balls.

    I'm glad punk azz Bobby got whacked. I hated that fool and them damn trains. I was sad about Sil. I love him. You know who I really loathe? Janice. I hate her stank azz. You can't turn a hoe into a housewife.

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    I'm glad punk azz Bobby got whacked. I hated that...

    I feel the same way. When he was draining the water from the pool....i thought...God he looks good. I love a BIG man that looks like he can kick some azz. He's such a thug. I don't want him to die.

    Patsy was hauling azz. Poor Sil.

    Phil is smarter than i thought. I kept thinking, i know he's not out in the open with NO protection....whew lawd, i'm gonna watch it again at 12

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    patricia76 - excellent point about the hour long cause I've invested time in those 7 years so we are definitly being cheated.

    Amandalene - I think that I will join you in watching a rerun of tonight's show. It was seriously the junk. I'm still in shock. I was scared that when Tony got upstairs in that house that one of Phil's guys would be waiting in the closet wit a AK. Got me paranoid as a mofo now fooling with them Sopranos. I'm so scared that Tony Soprano is gonna die y'all and even scareder that I won't be able to handle it

    Oh yeah did anybody else find the part where Janice said that Uncle June thought that the lady was from out of space because she had a larynx (sp?) box funny as heck? That dude is a MESS LOL!

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